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Featured Article: Polar Reactions to the "Church/Para-church Fight" Article
JONATHAN WRITES: I had a feeling that last week's
article would generate
some polarized responses. After all, our experiences vary.
Let's be honest! We've all met sharp people from a certain church or organization... and
then, unfortunately, we've met other people from the same church or organization that stink!
It's presumptuous to assume that all people under a certain umbrella will be the same.
I think you'll enjoy some of the responses below. You'll relate to some, disagree with some...
and with others you might think, "I wish that all the people from that organization were like
Hey I just read the e-zine...another great job on another article. Here's my experience...the
para-church ministries I knew were more like parasite ministries. All they did was take
resources (the two churches I served supported them financially) and kids (we had kids come to
us and ask us to request the Young Life leaders to stop asking them to attend their program).
NEVER...seriously NOT ONE kid got plugged into a church ministry. Instead they (Young Life)
became their own youth group.
I just want to see one work. Believe me as a church youth pastor, I'm so frustrated by this.
Not just para-church stuff but even by our networks. I couldn't agree more with your last
statement...Enough with "we" vs. "them." Let's be all about uniting, not dividing. After all...
we're on the same team.
Thank you Jonathan! I have been working hard at building relationships with Pastors and Youth
Pastors to show them that my heart, and Young Life's heart, is to work ourselves out of a job.
I tell kids, if it is a question of whether to come to a Young Life event or their church's
event, to go to their church's event.
Honestly, a lot of the tension I see isn't mainly whether or not we are stealing kids from Youth
Groups...it is how a lot of Youth Pastors look down on YL for hanging out with such "out-there"
kids. I have tons of Youth Pastor friends, but the idea of "relational OUTREACH" is not natural
to many of them.
I also see Young Life and other para-church ministries needing to communicate and actually be a
resource to the local churches. I have Youth Pastors come to Club so they can build relationships
with these kids. I also love speaking at Youth Group meetings, and retreats. On this side of
heaven...we will never run out of kids to reach for Christ!
Fort Bend Young Life
In 12 years as a youth pastor, I have worked closely with two para-church ministries, and have
served several others in various ways. One of them was great... the others were NOT. Consequently,
I do not think one can justify a judgment of para-church ministries based on the one they might
know. Further, the article's intent was to address the church's relationship to ALL para-church
ministries (Youth for Christ, FCA, Campus Crusade, Student Venture, etc.), not just Young Life.
Yet, in over a decade of youth ministry, my experiences continually bring me to the two points of
criticism most common to para-church ministries. First, more often than not, they do not connect
young people with a local church, even though many of their mission statements promise this. This
is sad, because no para-church ministry can replace the Christ's Church (regardless of
denominational affiliation). Secondly, the discipleship components are often weak in comparison to
that of the church. Granted, discipleship is not their first ambition. But isn't this another great
reason why the para-church ministries should diligently encourage their students to connect with a
As a youth pastor currently in tandem with a Young Life ministry, I must say I am glad they do what
they do, evangelistically! But Jesus never asked us to make mere converts or believers, He asked us
to make disciples. There is a difference! Since the church is the best one poised to do that, I
believe the para-church ministries should allow Her to do just that.
Temple Terrace, FL
Thank you SO much for writing and publishing this article about church vs. para-church!! It's
something we ALL need to hear about.
I've worked w/ YFC for 7 years. I've heard so many of those questions that you posed (from churches
and youth pastors). Fortunately, I've had the privilege of partnering with a few amazing, Kingdom-minded,
youth pastors and churches, and, as you said, it WORKS!! What a great fit! I hope that this article
will help both sides truly understand that we are only a part of the Body and we need each other.
Indianapolis Youth for Christ
Just read your article on this. I totally agree with you on it all. In my last church we had a
very active Young Life ministry in the town and I did all I could to try and work with them and
I didn't have any jealousies or selfishness in the least with them. The Young Life director and
I became friends and even accountability partners. The thing that I found frustrating was the
leaders' attitudes toward me and dealing with the differences in approaches to youth ministry.
For example, one time the Young Life director introduced me to a couple youth at a fast-food place.
I immediately told them I was a youth pastor and tried to make connections with them based on people
we both might know. The Young Life director later told me that he didn't want to introduce me to any
more youth because he thought I blew it with the youth by telling them I was a youth pastor up front.
He believed that you should build a relationship first so that the youth didn't think you were trying
to proselytize them. I feel the opposite- that if you don't say it up front, you're more likely to make
them feel duped once they find out you are one later.
I'm all for partnering together, but I know that for me and many of my youth pastor friends, we've had
a hard time because of hang-ups we've struggled with from the para-church organization ends.
I worked in youth groups at my past church for about 5 years, and it was hard to hear these answers
within the church. "You can't go help that ministry, I need you here." or "So and so would
kill me if I had you come help me in this ministry; I want to have your help, but I can't." It was
hard to hear that about other churches as well.
You pretty much laid it out. It made me wonder who was in charge of my church; was it Christ, or
the head pastor and his politics?
What is interesting about Des Moines is, in a 5 mile radius, we have about 12 churches. Mostly
different denominations, but mostly they are separated by race and language. When we started going
to our new church the first thing I asked is if they knew who was in charge of the other churches.
The pastors replied that they get together with as many as they can, once a month.
It was a breath of fresh air coming here.
Des Moines, Iowa
Loved your article on church vs. para-church. I'm what they call a Young Life Church Partner. I work for
Young Life and I'm a youth director at a Presbyterian Church. I agree with you that we all should have
the same mission of reaching unchurched kids. I'm in the process of trying to get all the youth directors
in my town together so that we can work together for one mission. Thanks for the article and the website.
I just read your article concerning Young Life vs. the Church. For the most part, I agree, but on some
issues, I don't.
For instance, Young Life isn't the church. It may be a part of the church, but it isn't the church. It
represents one demographic (teens/college students) of the church. The same applies for every church in
America. We represent one demographic of the church, the American demographic.
Young Life is excellent, for the most part. But we all know of chapters of Young Life that are
less-than-healthy (just as there are churches that are less-than-healthy). Depending on the leader, the
chapter can be great or it can be borderline cultish (same with churches).
Secondly, Young Life does a great job of meeting teenagers where they are. It's great at reaching one
demographic and introducing them to Christ. But it is not a long term solution. Most of the leaders for
Young Life are college students who are around for a few short years and then off to start their careers.
Who is "there" for the student long term? Who is making connections with that student so that ten years
later they still have a caring Christian family connected with them? When Young Life sees itself as the
church we have a problem.
When the Young Life comes into town lots of churches get worried. And we start competing. But this is on
both sides. We both get worried about our institutions, instead of worrying about the Kingdom.
My beef with Young Life is the fact that there are a number of my students who go to Young Life who should
be plugging in to an area church (or at least being challenged to). Young Life is designed to introduce
students to Christ, but it doesn't do a great job of discipling them. They offer Campaigners, but very few
of our students go to Campaigners and they consider the club time their church time. Consequently, they are
getting a steady diet of "Jesus-Died-For-You," but little about why or how that impacts the decisions
Where's the accountability? Are relationships being made in such a way that students are getting plugged
in for the long haul? Will there be someone available long term for that student? How are students being
challenged to go deeper than "Jesus-died-for-you"? For many of my students, Young Life is an easier
commitment than church. It demands less of them relationally, leadership-wise, financially, theologically,
Your story on the struggle between church and para-church ministries made me think about another story of
conflict. Two boys fight over an orange. They both really want it. So they come up with what they feel is
the best solution: they decide to split the orange and then each go his own way. The first boy takes his
orange half, throws the peel in the garbage and eats the orange flesh. The second boy peels his half, throws
the flesh in the garbage and uses the peel in a recipe.
If only they had talked, they could have both had their needs met completely. Each boy held the same
position ("I want the orange") but they had different interests, different reasons for that position.
Greater understanding would have led to a more effective outcome.
Your church organization might be great at bringing youth in, introducing them to the gospel. Another might
be good at fostering discipleship. Maybe together you can get the job done.
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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William Jessup University
Here's a glimpse of the Table of Contents of THE NEW BREED:
Introduction: The Common Predicament
Where It All Begins
SECTION ONE: THE VOLUNTEER RECRUITER
Chapter 1: Who Is the New Breed of Volunteer?
A Profile of the 21st Century Volunteer
Chapter 2: Recruiting the New Breed of Volunteers
The "Courting" Relationship
Chapter 3: Finding the New Breed of Volunteers (Not Scaring Them Away)
The Seven Deadly Sins of Recruiting Volunteers
Chapter 4: Tapping into Two New Breeds of Volunteers
Retiring "Boomers" and "Generation @"
SECTION TWO: THE VOLUNTEER MANAGER
Chapter 5: Motivating the New Breed of Volunteers
Discover Three Levels of Motivation
Chapter 6: Empowering Volunteers to Do It Their Way
Move from Delegation to Empowerment
Chapter 7: Managing the Virtual Volunteer
Virtual Volunteers and Using Technology
Chapter 8: Managing High Maintenance Volunteers
Performance Coaching the Volunteer from Hell
SECTION THREE: THE VOLUNTEER LEADER
Chapter 9: Leading the Successful Volunteer Organization
Mobilize the Collective Power of Volunteers
Chapter 10: A Leadership Case Study
A Fable of How to Do It Right
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- Interview Guide for Hiring a Paid "Volunteer Manager"
- Sample Questionnaire for Virtual Volunteers
- Sample Board Code of Conduct
- Strategic Planning Retreat - Agenda of Questions
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Jonathan McKee is president of The Source for Youth Ministry and author
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volunteer leadership and has trained over 100,000 leaders on how to manage the chaos of change in
an organization. His books include They Don't Play My Music Anymore-How to Plan Your Future
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